The joke actually exposes something serious about the vocation: the worse the world gets, the more relevant the Orpheotelest becomes.
A zombie apocalypse is practically an Orpheotelest’s nightmare client list scaled up to civilization: innumerable unburied dead; violently disturbed ancestors; places saturated with death and pollution; survivors carrying extreme grief, guilt, terror, and trauma; communities needing purification and reconciliation; malignant spiritual phenomena flourishing amid chaos; ordinary rites of mourning and burial becoming impossible; and desperate people asking for protection, healing, fertility, food, luck, and some assurance that the world still possesses order and meaning.
And unlike a priesthood whose usefulness depends heavily on intact temples and institutions, the itinerant character suddenly becomes an enormous advantage. The Orpheotelest already expects to travel to where the trouble is, diagnose an unusual situation, improvise within a body of traditional techniques, perform specialized rites, counsel people, and then move along. Civilization can disappear without making the craft obsolete. If anything, civilization had been insulating people from many of the circumstances for which such specialists historically existed.
There’s also something wonderfully funny about the economics. Currency has collapsed, but the Orpheotelest has one of the few genuinely marketable professions left:
“Can you fix an alternator?”
“No.”
“Can you grow corn?”
“Not especially.”
“Can you make Grandma stop appearing at the foot of my bed every night since we had to leave her body at the interstate rest stop?”
“Absolutely! This is my wheelhouse.”
And that makes the image even better for me. Those ridiculous bastards don’t realize it yet, but the most professionally employable person in the picture is the Japanese guy in the shredded robes.
It also brings up an important theological point. The post-apocalypse could produce a spiritual crisis for the faithful of various Monotheist and Neopagan traditions. Not only is there a pessimistic strain in Orphism which inoculates one against that— the expectation that things will fall apart, the decline from the golden to iron age rather than positive evolution and the “myth of progress,” the idea that physical incarnation in this plane is punishment for crimes committed as a daimōn or as Sokrates succinctly put it “dead is better”— within the Starry Bull tradition we have an eschatological explanation that would account for the calamity. The forces allied with the unmaker, from bottom feeding spirits to Giants and Titans that will break their bonds and go rampaging, will temporarily gain control, until the coalition from different pantheons encountered during his travels that Dionysos has spent millennia putting together eventually triumphs, crowning him as the new cosmic ruler. So there’s no, “How could a good God allow this? Does that mean that God is not all-powerful, or that this is his will and he permitted it? If I am allowed to suffer this, does that mean that I’m not among the elect and missed out on the rapture? Wait— my God came back from the dead and encouraged his followers to eat his flesh and drink his blood, and with his resurrection the dead, including the “dry bones” of Ezekiel’s vision, shambled toward Jerusalem per Matthew 27:52–53: does that mean he is the cause of the Zombie uprising?” Instead the Orpheotelest just shrugs, rubs their hands, and says, “Better get to work. This crisis isn’t going to resolve itself.”
Starry Bull eschatology would make such a catastrophe horrifying without making it theologically surprising. The apocalypse would constitute a practical and pastoral crisis, but not necessarily a crisis of theodicy.
The tradition already possesses a cosmology in which this event fits an existing mythic grammar.
That’s especially important because our eschatology doesn’t amount to “Dionysos will prevent the catastrophe.” Quite the contrary: catastrophe is part of the sequence. Dionysos’ victory comes through the conflict. His wanderings acquire an eschatological dimension because all those encounters with foreign Gods and pantheons cease to look episodic: over immense stretches of mythic and historical time, he has been assembling relationships and alliances that ultimately matter when cosmic order itself is threatened. The wandering God turns out to have been building a coalition. His eventual sovereignty is therefore not simply Zeus handing his son the keys to Olympos; it is something demonstrated and achieved through Dionysos’ capacity to unite radically different powers against the unmaker.
That gives the individual Orpheotelest a wonderfully grounded place within an enormous myth. They aren’t standing around waiting for Dionysos to win the cosmic battle. Dionysos has his work; they have theirs. If the great powers are fighting Titans, somebody still has to bury the dead. Somebody has to purify the contaminated house, settle the furious ancestor, recognize the predatory spirit taking advantage of everyone’s terror, counsel the survivor who watched their family die, protect the settlement, restore ritual relations with the local Gods and spirits, and remind frightened people that chaos having the upper hand today doesn’t mean chaos is the ultimate victor.
And that fits beautifully with the craft orientation I’ve been discussing. The important question isn’t primarily, “Why did Dionysos allow this?” It’s “how do I fulfill my God’s expectations of me in these changed circumstances?” Theology supplies orientation; vocation supplies action.
Which makes the final image genuinely theological rather than merely comic:
Zombie apocalypse. Titans loose. Civilization collapsed. The dead won’t stay dead.
The Orpheotelest surveys the situation.
“Well, shit.”
Rolls up their sleeves.
“Better get to work.”
This is an extraordinarily Dionysian eschatology: not optimism, because terrible things really can happen; not nihilism, because their happening does not make action meaningless; and not passive apocalypticism, because knowing how the story ultimately ends doesn’t excuse anyone from doing their appointed work in the chapter they’re actually living through.
I don’t normally provide a deep discussion of Starry Bull eschatology because it isn’t the point of the tradition. Our goal is to serve Dionysos and his Retinue as best we can, within the structures of the Starry Bull, and fulfilling our particular vocation. We do our part, the Gods do theirs and we’ll make the best of how things work out. That’s true whether you’re discussing the treatment of a client or grand eschatological themes.
But I’ve smoked a lot of marijuana, so here goes…
Zeus doesn’t pass the keys to Dionysos because he isn’t around to do that. Long ago Dionysos had a vision of the unmaker dissolving and destroying divine order, and the Titans and Giants breaking their bonds. Most of the Olympians did not believe him, attributing his visions to madness. This is why Dionysos sets out to find allies among other pantheons. When Ragnarök occurs the Olympians are not prepared, and most fall in the battle. What is especially tragic is that there are some who genuinely believe Dionysos but cannot join his coalition because they would consider that a violation of their loyalty to Zeus and Hera. Others— most notably Hermes, Apollon and Athena —side with Dionysos. Even so, not everyone who joins the coalition will survive. Normally Olympian Gods are Immortal, and the world goes through cycles of birth, death, and rebirth. But the unmaker seeks to interrupt that process, to annihilate everything. Even the forces allied with the unmaker know its intention but through greed and pursuit of power believe that they can capitalize on the chaos and rule until their domain too gets absorbed by the unmaker. Basically think Egyptian isfet or the nothing from Neverending Story.
Dionysos isn’t the designated heir who eventually receives an orderly succession. He is the disregarded prophet who prepares for a catastrophe the existing order refuses to believe is coming. That makes his madness extraordinarily important. The Olympians’ mistake isn’t necessarily stupidity or wickedness: they have perfectly understandable reasons for discounting catastrophic visions coming from the God of Madness. Unfortunately, this time the Mad God is right.
There’s considerable tragedy in that, especially with the Gods who believe him but remain with Zeus and Hera. Their refusal isn’t cowardice or blindness. On the contrary it’s virtue. But their virtue destroys them. Loyalty, which ordinarily maintains divine order, prevents them from taking the action necessary to survive the destruction of that order. That makes the conflict much richer than dividing the pantheons into enlightened supporters of Dionysos and fools who rejected him. Hermes, Apollon, and Athena make one choice; others make an equally comprehensible choice and perish because of it. And Dionysos presumably has to live with having foreseen precisely that, and not being able to stop it.
The unmaker also clarifies the stakes enormously. It isn’t another claimant to cosmic sovereignty. Titans and Giants can want dominion. Gods can fight Gods. Ages can end. Worlds can die and be born again. All of that still occurs inside the kosmos. The unmaker threatens the process itself. That’s why I make the comparison with Egyptian isfet and the nothing from the Neverending Story. Ordinary destruction can paradoxically belong to life: decomposition produces fertility; death precedes rebirth; Dionysos himself embodies dissolution and return. The unmaker represents something categorically different—not Thanatos within the sequence Bios–Thanatos–Bios, but the attempt to prevent the second Bios from ever arriving. It wants no next turn of the wheel. In fact it wants both Thanatos and the wheel gone.
And that makes the forces knowingly serving it particularly interesting. They’re committing what amounts to the ultimate metaphysical error: mistaking temporary advantage within a collapsing order for victory, even though their victory necessarily creates the conditions of their own annihilation. The Giant thinks, “When Olympos falls, I shall rule its ruins.” The unmaker’s answer is brutally succinct: “What ruins?”
It also explains why Dionysos’ wandering matters so much. Something that can appear almost incidental in mythology—this extraordinarily mobile God appearing in Greece, Anatolia, Egypt, India, the Far North and elsewhere—becomes strategic preparation. The Olympian order is insufficiently broad to survive what is coming, so the wandering stranger does what the established cosmic powers cannot: he builds relationships across boundaries. His apparent marginality becomes his strength. He knows foreigners because he has been the foreigner.
Which makes his eventual kingship profoundly different from ordinary conquest. If most of the established rulers are dead and survivors from numerous divine orders have fought together under his coalition, Dionysos isn’t simply becoming “Zeus 2.0.” Whatever order follows must somehow accommodate the plurality that made survival possible.
And my final point may be the most important theologically: this isn’t what Starry Bull is about.
That prevents eschatology from swallowing religion. The believer doesn’t need to decode current events looking for Giants, determine whether Ragnarök has secretly begun, or obsess over when the unmaker will arrive. In fact, doing so could become a distraction from the obligations immediately in front of them.
The Boukolos has Boukolos work. The Hymnōdos has Hymnōdos work. The Orpheotelest has Orpheotelest work. The ordinary devotee has obligations appropriate to their station. If cosmic dissolution begins tomorrow, those vocations remain meaningful; their circumstances simply become radically different.
I repeat:
We do our part. The Gods do theirs. We make the best of how things work out.
And that produces an unexpectedly modest eschatology despite its enormous scale.
The Orpheotelest doesn’t need to defeat the unmaker. That’s above their pay grade.
There’s a corpse that needs burying, a traumatized survivor who needs tending, an angry ghost that needs placating, and Lord Humongous apparently wants a consultation.
“Better get to work.”
But for me personally the most interesting aspect of this eschatology is twofold: Dionysos creates a new pantheon from the fragments of the world’s diverse pantheons. And that good and evil entities will fight side by side against the unmaker and its allies.
Let’s break that down.
This may be one of the strongest ideas in the eschatology, because it makes the final conflict orthogonal to the ordinary conflict between good and evil. Good and evil are disagreements about what existence should be like. The unmaker represents the abolition of the arena in which that disagreement can occur. A benevolent God wants a flourishing kosmos justly governed. A tyrant wants a kosmos under his domination. A predatory spirit wants victims. A Giant wants territory and power. Even something genuinely monstrous still possesses desires, and desire presupposes that there will be something left to desire. The unmaker offers none of them victory. It offers the eventual extinction of victor and victim alike.
So the question— “What do they govern if nothing exists?” —isn’t merely pragmatic. It’s the metaphysical argument capable of assembling Dionysos’ otherwise impossible coalition.
And importantly, fighting beside Dionysos doesn’t redeem the evil powers. The Giant doesn’t suddenly discover compassion. The demon doesn’t become nice. All remain precisely what they were. They simply recognize that their interests temporarily coincide with those of beings they ordinarily despise.
That provides something much more interesting than the familiar fantasy trope in which everybody puts aside their differences and discovers that deep down they’re basically decent. Some simply aren’t. After the victory, some members of the coalition may immediately become enemies again. The alliance means only: first there must be a world. Then we can fight over what sort of world it will be.
And that makes Dionysos uniquely suited to lead it.
Dionysos doesn’t create unity by creating sameness
Which is deeply Dionysian. Dionysos doesn’t need Athena to become Freyja, an Egyptian God to become Hindu, or a dangerous daimōn to become morally good before they can stand together. He creates a choros out of irreducibly different beings.
That resembles his Retinue on a cosmic scale.
The Bacchic procession has never been composed of respectable, interchangeable citizens marching neatly in formation. Gods, Daimōnes, Heroes, mortals, Satyrs, Seilenoi, Mainades, animals, foreigners, monsters—the heterogeneous multitude itself becomes Dionysian order.
The new pantheon he creates therefore needn’t represent the restoration of the old order after Ragnarök. It is something the catastrophe makes possible that could not have existed beforehand.
The old pantheons were organized substantially through kinship, geography, inherited sovereignty, cult, and historical relationships. Dionysos’ pantheon is assembled through encounter. He has wandered through their worlds, formed relationships, recognized powers the established Olympian order regarded as foreign, and eventually called those relationships in.
So when Olympos falls, Dionysos doesn’t rebuild Olympos.
He builds something Olympos could never have become.
That also gives his wandering retroactive significance without reducing it to a secret master plan. He can genuinely have encountered other Gods for all the ordinary mythological reasons—desire, conquest, initiation, curiosity, exile, madness, revelation—and nevertheless discover that those accumulated relationships are precisely what enables resistance when the old structures collapse.
And the tragedy gets better
The Gods who remain loyal to Zeus and Hera become even more poignant against this background. They aren’t choosing evil over good. They’re choosing order as they understand it over an unprecedented coalition whose legitimacy may appear extremely dubious.
Imagine what Dionysos’ proposal must sound like before the catastrophe.
The mad younger God announces that he has foreseen the destruction of the cosmic order. He wants Olympians to cooperate with foreign Gods, perhaps ancient enemies and morally repellent beings, because he claims an entity beyond ordinary divine conflict, who comes from outside the kosmos itself, is going to annihilate everything.
From the perspective of a conservative Olympian, refusing him might be the responsible choice.
And some believe him but cannot abandon their loyalties anyway.
That is tragedy rather than stupidity.
It also changes what “evil” means without relativizing it. I especially like this because you don’t need to conclude that good and evil are illusions. They’re real distinctions—but they aren’t the most fundamental distinction imaginable.
Beneath the ethical opposition lies another:
Being / Unbeing.
Or perhaps, more appropriately for Starry Bull theology:
Bios → Thanatos → Bios
versus
Bios → Thanatos → —
The second is what the unmaker wants. Death isn’t the enemy because death belongs to the cycle. But nothingness does not. Dionysos himself guarantees that. The horror is death from which nothing can emerge: no decomposition becoming fertility, no descent followed by ascent, no memory, no rebirth, no transformation, no next generation, no next world.
That makes the unmaker almost the perfect theological antithesis of Dionysos.
Dionysos destroys forms constantly. He tears apart boundaries, identities, bodies, kingdoms, sanity, sometimes even himself— but something comes through the rupture. His destruction is fecund.
The unmaker’s destruction is sterile.
Dionysos dissolves so that becoming can continue.
The unmaker dissolves becoming itself.
And suddenly the strange coalition makes complete sense. Even monsters have a stake in becoming.
Which brings us back to the Orpheotelest. The cosmic story and the treatment of one client express the same religious posture at radically different scales.
Dionysos doesn’t sit around contemplating the philosophical implications of the unmaker. He gathers whoever can be gathered and does what his circumstances require.
The Orpheotelest doesn’t need to spend Tuesday afternoon worrying whether Ragnarök begins this Thursday.
There is a client in front of them.
“How do I fulfill my God’s expectations of me in these changed circumstances?”
That question works when the changed circumstance is bereavement, illness, haunting, pollution, community breakdown—or the collapse of divine order itself.
And perhaps that’s why the eschatology doesn’t need to be central. If the tradition has formed someone properly, they already know what to do when the end of the world comes.
Not necessarily how to win.
But how to remain what they are while the world changes around them.



I think one of my favorite things about AI is that it’s just smart enough to make an image but not smart enough to make all of the details make sense. Like in the picture with all of the Gods. Why is Krishna holding His flute like a spear? I like how some of the Gods are pretty recognizable but then you have ones who are just generic looking people that could be someone but there’s nothing about them except that they’re kinda slowly and ancient looking.
Not trying to distract from the conversation. I just think it’s a funny image
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I wouldn’t assume that Krishna’s flute couldn’t be used belligerently. Isn’t he called “the Tyrant of the Flute?” Consider the Rat-Catcher of Hamlin. That said, I agree about AI art. But on the other hand it takes direction and it’s probably not going to rape children creating a moral quandary about whether the art can be separated from such an artist, particularly when sacred icons were commissioned and the piece of shit did the covers to half of my books. I mean, it’s totally not personal. I’m just making a theoretical philosophical point. But you’re not wrong about AI art. It’s weird and soulless. Which captures something of the zeitgeist. So I’m going to use it for the time being. Consider the art the Symbolists, Dadaists, and Absurdists were into. Brilliant philosophy, ugly as fuck art. Compared to that weird and soulless isn’t so bad. And maybe it’s just a different kind of intelligence, no different than a dolphin, a dog, a tree, a rock, a human, an ancestor, a spirit, a God, a kosmos. I’m an animast as well as a polytheist.
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So regarding Krishna, it would appear He prefers much more conventional weapons when in combat. Doesn’t seem to be any reference to Him using it to cause harm. Though I’m sure He could if He wanted to. It’s just not what He has used it for (though I’ll let you know if I ever see such an instance).
I’m not knocking the art. I just think it looks like it hasn’t truly mastered illustration yet. But I’m sure in a few years they’ll patch that. It’s truly interesting to think what the world will look like when I am an old man. No doubt I will desperately praying that Lord Kalki comes already to end all of this madness that is the Kali Yuga
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It’s progressing at an impressively rapid speed. A couple years it was giving people 6 fingers and gibberish in the background. Now Boomers can’t tell the difference. Soon neither will Zoomers.
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Yeah. Six fingers is strange. It’s two too many!
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I was taking a sip of coffee as I read that and nearly choked I started laughing so hard. Nicely done.
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—> this: ““Why did Dionysos allow this?” It’s “how do I fulfill my God’s expectations of me in these changed circumstances?”” right here. this is Odinic logic too, or maybe just clean devotional logic. it is also a very different way of approaching theodicy.
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I think it’s clean service, period.
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I’ve invested much of my previous “free time” in seeking and understanding where “my place” is so I can “remember” it. One of the insights came through the Raidho-Jera-Tiwaz bindrune which I associate with Time-Tide-Task. “Task” feels right but my head has trouble wrapping itself around how it fits within the bindrune. “…how do I fulfill my God’s expectations of me in these changed circumstances?” contains it nicely. There are several things I can do – which is mine to do/mine to let pass to another.
Wyrd Things are so Cool.
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Exactly! And that’s such a vital thing to discern. Because if you don’t do the thing you were destined to, a gap is created. Maybe someone else will step in and do that work (but not as well as you could have) or maybe no one will, and that gap will remain, weakening the whole chain.
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The other side of that coin is equally true – if I intercede, because I can, not because it is my role/task – do I introduce an impediment, change a direction, or in general, snarl things up. I loathe the “not my job” and resent the “above my pay grade” responses, especially when my head says I have the skill set and the task needs doing now. Stay connected with the Gods, “ping” Andvari, confirm that Raidho-Jera-Tiwaz favors the action before proceeding.
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Oh Gods. That’s one of the hardest things to do. Sit back, when you know you could make a difference. But do you have the understanding to know whether that difference is positive or negative?
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Is not the end of the world a cycle that is needed to bring about a new one? It appears in Mesoamerican mythology as making new worlds. Anyway, that is probably off tangent.
As for end times, if memory services me, the Greeks had it before the Christians, who took it and ran away with it.
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That’s the problem. According to Orphism there is this constantly repeating cycle. Everything spills out of the Egg. We have six or seven successive kingships by the Gods. Everything shrinks back down into an egg. And the cycle begins again. It’s good. It’s natural. The end of one cycle provides the essential stuff the subsequent cycle needs.
The unmaker, the nameless, the nothing wants to interrupt that process. Unmake and consume all things. It has nasty, powerful but ultimately stupid things helping it.
Dionysos wants to stop that.
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Let me understand – the process of the cycle is good but the nothing wants to consume everything, and end everything. Dionysos wants to stop the nothing. Ok?
Are there other Gods involved with stopping the nothing? What stupid things are helping the nothing?
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There’s a host of Gods who are actively preparing us for what’s coming, and fighting the war preemptively. Or in the early stages. Like with Ukraine. Most people would say that it began with Russia’s invasion in 2022. People on the street know that it was really 2014 with the Maidan protests and invasion of the “little green men”, and hostile pressure applied even before then. Then there are those with a true grasp of history who would probably say it began in the 13th-14th century with the Muscovites as shock troops of the Golden Horde trying to take out the Kievan Rus.
Think about that phrase a bunch of polytheists and neopagans started getting from their Gods and spirits around 2010-2014. “The storm is coming.” “The war is on the horizon” “Stand against the darkness.” “Tower time is almost here.” That was the people willing to talk about it publicly.
I’ve communicated with pagans from the 90s and even a couple from the 80s. They were talking about the same thing, using remarkably similar language. In much more hushed tones, because they were living under the specter of the Satanic Panic, so presentability politics mattered a whole Hell of a lot more. But amongst themselves? There were whispers.
Then you’ve got the massive spike in increase of demonic and other supernatural activity. Polytheists and neopagans are reporting it. Charismatic Evangelicals are reporting it. The Vatican is reporting it. Even psychologists are reporting it, though they don’t understand the phenomenon they are seeing, or its true causes, just how it affects their patients and poll-takers.
One can explain this as a societal response to increasing pressures and divisiveness. Or the paranoia and appeal of conspiracy theories among marginalized groups. Or even a case of collective insanity.
Except that groups that have nothing to do with one another, don’t socialize in the meat world or share online fora, are repeating the same messages, the same experiences. And when you’ve had those experiences yourself all the frantic hand-waving in the world isn’t going to convince you that what you just dealt with was an internet trope or mass psychological response to industrialization and isolation, or however this or that scholar wants to explain it away. I can tell you that while I’ve been dealing with this shit since my teenage years, I saw a massive spike in the 2010s, until here we are.
So yeah, I definitely think a lot of other Gods and spirits are aware. Maybe the Olympians are too, but they’re convinced the situation can be handled without posing a threat to their rule.
I don’t know what will happen after, if Dionysos will be the sole ruler from Nysa, or whether we’re going to see a number of reformed pantheons with different members and different rulers. I suspect the second, especially since I’m a Dionysian and therefore it makes sense that what I’d be shown are the things pertaining to how he’s handling the crisis. He could just be a king, not the Cosmic King. That last interpretation is an attempt to reconcile what I’ve seen with Orphic literature which presents Dionysos as the successor of Zeus and a sequence of 6 or 7 Kosmokrateres, beginning with Phanēs who peacefully passed the scepter to his daughter/wife Nyx, then a bunch of conflicts culminating in the rules of Zeus and Dionysos. Some fragments suggest they are distinct and successive reigns, others that they will occur simultaneously, with Dionysos manifesting the will of Zeus. It’s especially difficult since Orphism was never a unified “church” but a movement of distinct strains, some promulgated by itinerant religious specialists others by philosophers or poets, but all claiming inspiration from the oracular severed head of Orpheus.
I spent close to 13 books trying to make sense of the visions I was given, parsing out who would be on Dionysos’ side and who wouldn’t. (And whether that just meant they were going to fight on their own as opposed to part of his coalition.) And then I stopped, realizing it didn’t matter. Whether the war occurs in our lifetime or not, the people are going to need competent, trained religious specialists to deal with things on the human level. It’s not my job to battle Eurymedon. Thank the Gods, because he’d probably squash me in an instant. What Dionysos showed me was the need to create the Starry Bull and train competent successors, because they will be needed. The rest was just the backdrop.
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While reading this, I had a sudden flash about W.T. Sherman and The Mothman. Both are preparing the rest of us for the horrors that are coming. In other words, pay attention, and batten down the hatches.
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This is a great comment, but I just have to say “W.T. Sherman and The Mothman” would make an awesome name for a band. I don’t know why but I’m thinking ska or swing?
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My Seneca friend introduced me to a band of Senecas and Mohawks with a token white guy – The Wagon Burners and White Boy. Don’t know if they are still around.
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