Friendrich Nietzsche as an Orphic Prophet between Apollon and Dionysos

On one side is the reductionist view:

The experience had a neurological or psychiatric basis; therefore it has no religious significance.

On the other is the absolutist view:

The experience was from God; therefore everything the person said or believed is infallible.

17 thoughts on “Friendrich Nietzsche as an Orphic Prophet between Apollon and Dionysos

  1. I’m reminded of “Stigmata,” where the priest possessing the girl says ‘The messenger is not important.” as an oracle and diviner, i can concur. Also, it’s like that byname is the place / space where the two Gods meet, to pass on authority for the season.

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    1. That’s such a good movie if you ignore the major premise of the Catholic Church attempting to suppress the Gospel of Thomas, since they lead the way in translating and publishing both the Nag Hammadi and Qumran texts, not to mention numerous other fragments that have come to light since their discovery.

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      1. The Gospel of Thomas is troubling to Christians. I have spoken to several folks at my husband’s church who read it. They were glad that it is not in the Bible.

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        1. did they say why they find it troubling? I’m curious. i have to teach it this term.

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            1. I can see why Methodists would be uncomfortable with it, since the sayings read like Japanese Buddhism. not even standard Gnosticism let alone mainstream Christianity. There’s no great conspiracy. Early Christians were probably even more bothered by it than your husband’s Methodist companions. Thus it was not included in any of the canons drawn up, and consequently didn’t get copied. No copies = doesn’t survive = no discussions, either pro or con in the historical record. But people prefer conspiracies– hence Stigmata and the Dan Brown novels.

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                1. Then Dick goes in the Methodists.

                  VALIS and the related books are why I consider him a better short story writer than a novelist. Now that’s not a diss — it’s a hell of a lot harder to write a good short story than a novel. Requires more control, less padding or room for errors, etc. I like some of Dick’s novels; I like a lot more of his short stories and novellas.

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  2. Philip K. Dick? The sci-fi writer? That Philip K. Dick? If so, could you point to what you find in his novels? I have read him, but am not familiar with how he fits in?

    Sometimes, all we have is the messenger since the message may be too much for us. We need to understand where the message comes from.

    Again, I refer to The Mothman of Point Pleasant, W.VA. People are still debating whether he warned people of the bridge disaster or if he brought the bridge disaster. If The Mothman was not this hulking winged figure with blazing red eyes, and an angel instead, they would think the message was good.

    A T-shirt says, Mothman in a car: Get in Losers! We are going Lurking!. That is a message that I can understand.

    So the other part of understanding the message is piecing through the meaning, which is often ambigious.

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    1. Philip K. Dick is one of those authors who is better at writing short stories than novels. Nut if I had to choose it’d be VALIS and it’s companion volumes, which deal with his friendship with Bishop James Pike.

      The Mothman is cool. We drove through Point Pleasant and didn’t see any sign of him, which I suppose is good.

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      1. I will have to check out what you suggest. As for The Mothman, I ended up with a cultus to Him. Will write about that later. All a part of being a Polytheist!

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        1. Keep in mind that the Dick novels I recommended have a lot more conversation and less action than his previous works. (Especially Electric Sheep, which became Bladerunner, which is pretty standard scifi fare with the expected Dick twists.) The ones I recommended are more like Socratic dialogues with a side story about a sentient alien probe.

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          1. They were taking a Sunday School class on “left out books” and why these books were left out. I applaud them for being brave to want to know why these books were not in the Protestant Bible.

            I read that novel by Dick. I was struck the same way you were. Didn’t think beyond that though.

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